Showing posts with label Swedish. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Swedish. Show all posts

June 25, 2009

More About Rosetta Stone

I read the Wikipedia article on Rosetta Stone today and found a lot of interesting things. First of all, because it is so successful and expensive, I had assumed that most (consumers and experts alike) approved of the software. I was surprised to see that there is a great variety of opinions on it's efficacy, in particular one scalding review by a user of the Russian version, and a much better review by a user of the German version. Both of them reviewed older versions, so some of the issues may have been corrected, but what the Russian reviewer had said went fairly well with what I have mentioned about the Japanese program. He wrote that the program introduced many complex cases early on, in the section on prepositions, which would overwhelm a beginning learner, that the words were clearly too centered on what was important in English, and that the pictures didn't fit well with Russian subjects. The German reviewer was much kinder - perhaps because German isn't as grammatically distant from English? This might indicate that Rosetta Stone is quite good for Germanic languages, or perhaps even Romance languages as well, and not as good for languages that aren't as closely related to English.

Apparently the same phrases, in the same order, are used for every language except for Latin. At least they had the sense to realize that learners of a dead language have different needs than those of a living language! Another interesting quote from Wikipedia: "He called the company regarding the picture sets, and was told that four are in use, one for Western languages, another for Asian, and two sets unique to Swahili and Latin."

Finally, this quote sounds a lot like what I began to mention in my last post, about adults learning languages as adults: "In 2008, author Tim Ferriss, who is fluent in multiple languages, reviewed Rosetta Stone. He said that it was faster to learn languages as an adult instead of a child and the aim toward learning as a child did not lead to producing the best results."

Since I have the software, I have continued and will continue to use the Japanese program for the time being. I enjoy the challenge of learning from context, and it's good to have the listening practice. However, I'm not sure I can recommend the software wholeheartedly to the average learner, especially for more exotic languages.

Before I completely write it off, however, I would like to sometime try out Version 3, which according to Wikipedia has a somewhat different approach.

"Instruction takes the form of four units per language level. Each unit is then subdivided into four core lessons. Each core lesson is approximately 30 minutes followed by sublessons. Sublessons take the form of Pronunciation, Writing, Vocabulary, Grammar, Listening, Reading, Speaking, and Reviews. At the end of each unit is a Milestone, which reviews the material covered in that unit in an interactive activity."

http://www.rosettastone.com/personal/demo
You can try out a bit of Version 3 here. It's no accident that they chose the first lesson of Swedish - Swedish is probably one of the easiest languages they offer, and I think the method probably works best earlier on in the process. But it does look nice, and it teaches you a bit more than Version 2, which is a lot of trial and error.


This is a screen shot from my progress so far in the Japanese Version 2 program. It says aloud, "Is the pink car new? No, it is not new.", and displays it either in Kanji/Hiragana, Hiragana, or normal English letters. For this screenshot, I set it to display in English characters.

Japanese is very different from English - you can't translate word for word. Word for word, the translation would be something like, "Pink colour of car (subject) new is (question)? No, that (subject) new(not) (subject) not-is!" It's somewhat of a challenge to figure these things out from the program alone.

June 12, 2009

The Education of the Swedes

Hei alle sammen!

Jeg håper at dere liker dere her i Florida! For en søt familie dere er! :)

Jeg tenkte bare at dere ville kanskje vite at her tar vi av bordet etter frokost.

Ha det kjempefint!


It didn't take us long to notice the Swedes. When you stay in a hotel for more than a week, and particularly when you attend the breakfast every morning, you begin to become acquainted in a distant, 'stalkerish' way with several of the more interesting families who are following the same patterns.

The most interesting, most obvious family this week has been a family of Swedes. Loud father, quiet mother, two singing blonde children with bright blue eyes. They dominate the room with their loudness, their foreignness, the singsong quality of their speech... the way they never clear their table after they eat, leaving the busboys, who are only supposed to replenish food and empty trash cans, a mountain of china and rubbish.

So I played a little trick, or taught them a little something, or did the busboys a bit of a favour, depending on how you want to look at it. I wrote them a note, last night, and stuck it under their door. You can see the note in it's original above - the translation would be,

Hello everyone!
I hope you like it here in Florida! What a sweet/cute family you are!
I just thought you might want to know that here we clear the table after breakfast.
Have a great time!

This morning, inconspicuous as always, we watched. And if they didn't clear the table, every bit, admirably so! We were a safe distance off, but could hardly contain our giggles as mamma and pappa walked to the trash cans again and again with the piles of dishes.

September 06, 2008

One Last Library Rant and some Random Stuff About Japanese Roommates

Went back to the library today to check out the Finnish and Synesthesia books. The Finno-Ugric language section blew me away. I'll be honest - I was expecting a display half the size of the Scandinavian one. Instead, it was easily twice as large. For a few minutes, I'll admit, I kept my hand on it as if I was touching earth, I almost couldn't bear to take my hand away and not touch them, afraid they would stop being real. They even had a few very, very poor books (by poor I mean very small and falling apart) on Sami. One was a sort of dictionary arranged in some non-alphabetical way that translated Finnish into four dialects of Sami. One would have to be really desperate to work with that.

But the Finnish books were much nicer. I picked a big huge volume, fully half the size of my Unabridged English Dictionary back home. It barely fit in my backpack. It's called a Basic Course in Finnish, but it's absolutely humongous. I giggled a bit to see that I could flip to the end of the book and still get the main idea of many of the readings. That's what even the tiniest slice of immersion does to language acquisition, I suppose. Still, I can learn A LOT from it, I can already tell.

Another surprise - I went looking for books on Sami culture and I found a big section and, here's the kicker, on the way through the eastern stacks I realized that I was staring at a whole block of encyclopedias in Scandinavian languages. ENCYCLOPEDIAS! That's the most glorious thing, which I haven't even begun to tap yet... the fact that here the books in foreign language extend far out of the foreign language section and into the main stacks! Oh, the awaiting fun! :D

And it occurs to me that the tight fear I've lived with for a while, that I would run out of materials, that I had to ration myself... all of that is over now. I no longer need to grasp at fragments, at anything. A few years ago I would carefully fold and save a candy wrapper if it listed the instructions in anything less common than Spanish. Of course in todays world it was always a little silly, because there's so much content available online in different languages, but there was something oddly respectful... almost venerating about it... a sort of waste not, want not attitude, that even this wrapping paper had worth... I could use it to learn perhaps two or three new words... like corn syrup or hazelnut.

It would be lovely if I could keep this sense of desperation, as ludicrous as it is now and has ever been, and apply it to the almost guilty excess suddenly available to me. I would tear through that library like no one has before. :D I seriously feel my mouth water a bit just thinking about it. I'm such a lazy little child polyglot, though... if I had more discipline I wouldn't even be taking the time to sit here and salivate and fantasize about it, I would be eating the books right now.

Unfortunately my brain does have it's limits and I spent 3 hours in class today, 4 hours studying stuff from class, 1 hour learning Arabic letters, 30 minutes smashing my head against the Faroese pronunciation guide, and 20 minutes chatting in Swedish-Norwegian. And at the Arabic lesson today Ashley seemed to have some sort of emotional bond with every letter... she couldn't let us move on without saying it again and again and cuddling it in her mouth like it was something precious or something sweet or occasionally (take Ain) something deliciously dirty. Given my reading material lately I almost felt like she had some sort of personality synestesia about the whole thing. Mah interdisciplinary erosion!!! But soon to bed, soon to bed. ^^ I am happy now and it's almost too much, it's too good for me and makes me feel a bit desperate. Let's be honest, I can't have all of them, ah, life is so finite...

Enough with that. Not that again. XD

In other news I love the Japanese roommates and how they constantly feel like they have to apologize and not only that but they are always asking me for help translating these bizarre apology phrases. Such as the traditional Japanese thing to say when, for example, you are at a friends house and the friend's husband or wife comes home and you say something bizarre to him/her like "I am sorry and grateful for intruding".

And I'm still trying to help them figure out the difference between a tan and a sunburn. I thought I made it clear but they keep arguing that both are bad for you, which is true but it's about the connotation and denotation damnit! :P

Funny Mispronunciations: Room - Loom, Rice - Lice.

I have too much imagination, see, I keep imagining Mayumi and I sharing a loom or they all eating lice out of each other's hair when they say the obvious things. :P There are a few others too... it's the kind of thing you can never think of when you want to but every time you hear it you giggle again. ;)

I totally <3 living with foreigners. And books. So far other than feeling slightly like a loser for really, truly, madly, and deeply not giving a shit about parties/drinking, I'm loving University.


P.S. - It was a strange feeling to find that they had an entire WALL in the library devoted to books about poultry. There was one huge shelf easily the size of the Scandinavian and Finno-Ugric shelves combined, perhaps even as much as 50% bigger, devoted to a series called "Poultry Science". And there were more "Poultry Nutrition" books than Icelandic, Faroese, Old Icelandic, and Old Norse combined.

It's none of my business, of course, why should I begrudge the poor student who is obsessed with feeding chickens as I am with languages his jollies? I shouldn't, of course, that's the easy answer, and of course agricultural science and stuff are actually majors here unlike all but the most famous of European languages, so they really have more of a right to be on the shelves, but it's also at once hilarious and a bit sad. :P

April 27, 2007

Language Families

Very direct and interesting language family breakdown from Freelang.net. I've put in bold and commented in red on the languages I've dabbled in or am especially interested in learning. I've put comments in orange next to languages I feel a lesser but still viable connection with. I've put comments in normal text if I have anything else I feel like saying. Then I've bolded those comments if I refuse to learn the language for whatever made up reason I have in my head. :P Yeah, I'm kind of a freak.


Linguistically, I'm well on my way to conquering Western, Southern, and Northern Europe. ;)


Indo-European family

  • Indo-Iranian group
    • Indic branch
    • Iranian branch
      • KURDISH - Turkey
      • PERSIAN - Iran This would be fun. It's already taught me the "Q" from Hell...
  • Greek group
      • GREEK - Greece I learned some for my trip to Greece. It's okay...
  • Italic (Latin) group
      • CATALAN - Spain From what I've heard, it's cool Spanish. I'd be interested...
      • FRENCH - France (Say no to French!)
      • ITALIAN - Italy I LOVE Italian! It's Spanish but more beautiful! Learned some for Italy.
      • LATIN - extinct Latin 5 Next Year! Latin's the best dead language ever!
      • OCCITAN - France
      • PORTUGUESE - Portugal I can read it.
      • (BRAZILIAN) PORTUGUESE - Brazil I can read it.
      • ROMANIAN - Romania
      • SPANISH - Spain Spanish 5 Next Year! I do love my Spanish, my first second language.
  • Celtic group
    • Brittonic branch
      • CORNISH - United Kingdom Like "Cornish Pixies!" Yeah, that's all.
      • WELSH - United Kingdom This would be my number one choice from the Celtic group.
    • Gaelic branch
      • IRISH GAELIC - Ireland Another "If I have too much free time I'lll learn a bit" lang...
      • MANX - United Kingdom Cool Name.
      • SCOTTISH GAELIC - United Kingdom Irish is better. Come on.
  • Germanic group
    • Western branch
      • AFRIKAANS - South Africa
      • AMERICAN - U.S.A. Speak it! W00t!
      • DUTCH - Netherlands I can almost read it. It's very familiar.
      • GERMAN - Germany I'm taking this in school and want to focus on it in college.
      • OLD ENGLISH - extinct Similar to Old Norse...
    • Northern branch
      • DANISH - Denmark Yeah, Danes and I are sort of mutually intelligible... :P
      • FAROESE - Denmark This is like Norwegian but cooler! Not quite as scary as Icelandic.
      • ICELANDIC - Iceland This would be fun. It's like Norwegian on crack. Ja sounds great.
      • NORWEGIAN - Norway I've had an infatuation with this for a while.
      • OLD GUTNISH - extinct
      • OLD NORSE - extinct Heheh... Well... This is just useful. You know.
      • SWEDISH - Sweden Yeah, Swedes and I are sort of mutually intelligible... :P
    • Eastern branch
      • GOTHIC - extinct Tolkien liked this one! And I used to think Emo's spoke it...
  • Baltic group
      • LATVIAN - Latvia
      • LITHUANIAN - Lithuania I can order drinks in Lithuanian! But that's all... :P
  • Slavic group
    • Western branch
    • Southern branch
    • Eastern branch
      • RUSSIAN - Russia (Say no to Slavik)
      • UKRAINIAN - Ukraine Okay, if I had to learn *1* Slavik language...
  • Armenian group
  • Albanian group
  • Constructed languages
      • ESPERANTO - constructed (Say no to Esperanto!)

Basque family

      • BASQUE - Spain If I ever have way too much free time.... Remind me...

Dravidian family

Uralic family

  • Finno-Ugric group
    • Finnish branch
      • ESTONIAN - Estonia
      • FINNISH - Finland For Liisa, Tolkien, and my own linguistic insanity...
    • Hungarian branch

Altaic family

Japanese family

      • JAPANESE - Japan Yay Japanese! Pretty colours, good food, video games...

Korean family

Sino-Tibetan family

Austro-Asiatic family

Afro-Asiatic family

Nilo-Saharan family

Niger-Congo family

  • Bantu branch
      • GBARI - Nigeria
      • KINYARWANDA - Rwanda I love the name of this one...
      • SWAHILI - Tanzania Swahili wouldn't kill me.
      • ZULU - South Africa Neither would Zulu.
  • Kwa group
      • YORUBA - Nigeria We just learned about the Yoruba!!!

Austronesian family

  • Malayo-Polynesian group
      • INDONESIAN - Indonesia This is supposed to be really easy. I wouldn't mind dabbling...

Andamanese family

Creole

  • English based
  • French based
  • Portuguese based
      • PAPIAMENTO - Netherlands Antilles Papiamentu is kind of the best ever. And so easy!

Amerindian family

Eskimo-Aleut family

  • Inuit group
      • INUIT - Canada I randomly know some words of this for names. Amaroq means wolf.